The need for a *credible* social investing site in India

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I believe that retail investors – that is those of us that invest in the stock market – have the odds stacked pretty heavily against us. The biggest one really being that we’re pitted against large institutions – people who have had far greater resources in terms of research and analysis, and indeed training in high finance.

Even if we did have all the resources, and the knowledge, we just wouldn’t have the time. The guys working for large investment banks, literally do this for a living, and many retail investors – well, don’t. We have day jobs – and most of us cannot watch the trading screen and read research papers all day.

Despite being aware of these facts, we continue to choose to invest directly. Why? Because of the allure of high returns, the thrill of picking the right stock, and the excitement of watching our stock move in the right direction. Moreover, we like being in control of our own finances.

One keeps hearing all sorts of anecdotal statistics from various studies – one revealed that over a decade, only 20% of asset managers managed to beat the S&P 500. One can react to this statistic in two ways: either the retail investor thinks to himself that if sophisticated financial analysts have such a poor record, they don’t stand a chance.

Alternatively, they might think to themselves that the belief that ‘investing is best left to professionals’ is false. I tend to agree more with this view. If anything, statistics such as these should only serve to further encourage retail investors to participate more actively in the market. If professionals have such a poor success rate, we might as well give it a shot ourselves – besides, it’s a lot more fun!

Still, there is no arguing the fact that the above constraints of research resources and time still hold and that if retail investors could somehow overcome them, we would benefit. I believe that one way to overcome these disadvantages is by harnessing the power of the ‘social web’. That is, building a Facebook like application for retail investors – a community where investors can share stock research, and indeed use this platform to educate each other about investing in the stock market.

By pooling their bits of research together, investors will be able to obtain a much better understanding and a variety of opinions on individual stocks and the market, all in one place. Ideally, on such a platform, each user should be rated on their level of expertise – but democratically, based on the quality of the information and opinions they provide – and not arbitrarily named experts because they belong to a particular institution or wear a nice suit and come on CNBC TV18 and give pointless opinions like, “on the upside the Sensex could maybe-possibly-perhaps touch 18,000 but if things don’t go so well we could-might-possibly-someday-somehowsee it touching 10,000″

There are a large number of start-ups in the US market that have created just this kind of application. Socialpicks.com is a venture that allows users to share stock recommendations and rates individual users based on the performance of these recommendations.  Updown.com is a stock market game where users provide rationale for their investment decisions. Zecco.com is an online brokerage that has tacked on a social network – one of the main features being the ability to share portfolios. Covestor.com also allows users to share their porfolios – in my opinion, Covestor is one of the best executed sites for the US market. They have achieved the holy trinity of any social network – great tools/features, a great user interface, and an extremely active community.

The phenomenon of Indian investors using the web to share information is hardly a new one. Active messageboards – such as Traderji.com (and indeed the messageboards on Moneycontrol.com) – or the various Yahoo! and Google stock market groups (which have been around for some time now) are testaments to this fact.

In fact, recently a number of Indian startups have also tried to make a foray into the social investing market. Stocksbuddy.com, Khelostocks.com (check out Ashish’s post on it here), Cafestocks.com, Markethero.in are some of them. Having said this, the only one that seems to look halfway decent is Markethero.in (check out Ashish’s post about it here.). Stocksbuddy seems to have a passionate group of entrepreneurs behind it, and they seem to have built a good userbase – but their user interface is very, very, unimpressive. If it aims to become popular amongst mainstream internet users, its crucial that Stocksbuddy.com enhance its look. When it comes to reading about advice or information related to money, users are especially sensitive to how credible the source of the information looks. Khelostocks.com is in an even greater need to enhance its look. Cafestocks is okay – parts of it still look amateurish, but it navigation is simple and intuitive. I think it made the mistake of releasing publicly far too early (as Pranav, from StartupDunia rightly pointed out in his review here)– it should have spent more time accumulating early adopters to seed content.

Apart from Markethero.in therefore, I don’t feel that any of the sites above have managed to really get the formula right. Even Markethero.in has marketed itself as a ’stock market game’, which I’m not sure is strikes the right tone amongst the serious minded and are looking for a social investing tool that really helps them carry out research. Given these facts, I think there might be room for another player in this market, assuming that it doesn’t make the same mistakes as the ones above. The market is still immature, and its too early to say that any of the players have really got a firm enough foothold in the market to be upset by a superior new entrant.

What are your thoughts on this post? On social investing in general? Leave your comments below!

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  • moneyvidya
    Hi Soham,

    Thanks for your message. I've just dropped you an email.

    Gautam
  • The one thing, which irks me is the absence of the real trading instruments available in the markets. Which actually, stops one from using a social investing equity curve as his credibility. Why not have commodity futures, index futures, options, currency futures included too?

    More work? Sure it is...

    But more holistic? You bet!

    I am a retail investor who trades actively in FNO. But I can't check my own performance because there is no FNO.

    I hope MV is listening
  • Hello friends,

    I read through the above blog ( very well written indeed!) and also discussion that followed in the comments. I would like to introduce you to www.stockezy.com which has taken the first few steps to provide a better solution towards social investing. Our main focus has been towards enhancing user experience and provide a clean and easy to navigate user interface.

    We have only launched a month ago : August 20th and are in process of actively adding new features. Our goal is to change the way users consume stock market information. You can make avail of our stockpicks, user-opinions, news, and portfolio tracker.

    Keep us on your radar, the social networking application is soon to be launched. I welcome your feedback, suggestions,
    at tushar@stockezy.com.

    regards,
    tushar
  • Sunny
    Here's what you're looking for:

    www.cakefinancial.com

    -Sunny
  • As you pointed out, there is a need for a platform for people to share information, rate it and find it when they need it. This platform could be used for creating communities not only around stock investments but also other investment opportunities like real estate investments etc. Essentially the idea is to provide a platform where information can flow freely across a community and create a level playing field for everyone and in some way encourage people to share information by incentivizing it.

    We have been working on this problem and have come close to building something that we believe can be an answer to the above problem. Would be nice to hear from you so that we can exchange ideas.

    Cheers,
    madan.
  • admin
    @Krishna - You raise a very valid point about each investor being unique in terms of investment time horizon, and return outlook. I would go on to say that different investors have different risk appetites. A good social investing site would be one where by looking at user's profile or his actions on the site, you could quickly understand these things about a person - and therefore evaluate whether you as another user should listen to what he is saying.

    @Manish - Agreed that the Wisdom of the Crowd doesn't work every time. But it is my belief, that if a tool is built in such a way that (subject to enough people providing and opinion) those that have demonstrated a superior track record in terms of forecasting get a greater weight than those that have a poor record, then it would work more often than not - this is the basis of Motley Fool's CAPs. Another example - Marketocracy.com (I talk about it here in my Book Review of Wikinomics: http://www.moneyvidya.com/blog/?p=67). Marketocracy runs its fund based on the 100 best performing fantasy portfolios on its site. In its 6 years it has generated cumulative returns of over 80%, while the S&P; 500 has returned 30% for the same period - this, in spite of the internet bubble of 2000 and the subprime mess of 2007/8(and 9?). So it is taking Crowd Wisdom' into account but putting greater stock into the higher performing crowd.
  • Akshay
    Gautam,

    a very well written article i must say. There is definitely the need and room for a "credible" social investing site in India - something of the sort that brings together the best of all the other previous ventures you refer to above, as a one-stop-shop for the average retail investor, where one can get access to other users (social networking), latest news, market and stock specific research if possible, expert opinions (users can use their own discretion regarding how qualified they deem the "expert" to be), user ratings based on past recommendations etc. Such a comprehensive model would definitely make investing much easier for the average joe and also eventually attract the more "serious/sophisticated" retail investors - in as much as they'd like to flatter themselves by thinking so.

    Cheers,

    AS
  • well said. Another social stock selection is Motley Fool with their CAPS product. But anyways, yes there is nothing as such in India.

    However, sometimes the wisdom of crowds doesn't work so well - Jan 2008 in the indian markets or the continuing slump in China. But there is wisdom when real money is on the line, then people really focus on good ideas. I've seen several hedge funds that take input from brokers and rank them, then based on their rankings get commissions.

    "...only 20% of asset managers managed to beat the S&P 500" - As i tell most people, stick to Index funds and forget it.
  • Well said. If the so-called expert fund managers goof up with our money, we'd rather do it ourselves!

    Why not? Certainly there's enough room for one more player in social investing reco site. But what after that? Another Gautam or Sanjay will find it clumsy and build yet another and so on... The reason being each investor is unique in terms of return and investment horizon outlook. What's good for a trader, may not be good for a long term player. Haven't you noticed the same stock that gave you 3x returns over 3 months last year is down by 70% in about one bad week of Jan `08? The mistake was that we stayed on, hoping for the 3x to be 4x. But that greed makes the market. No one can better it or wish it away... We'll all fall victims to it soon if not already...!!!

    Cheers,

    Krishna
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